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Timothy Jennings and God Does Destroy

The Teachings of Timothy Jennings

An Evaluation by Eugene Prewitt

 

Introduction

I first heard of Timothy Jennings in connection with the Good News Tour. This was not, in my mind, a positive association. But it was not until a friend of mine suggested that my students listen to a series of his lectures that I took a personal interest in his teachings.

I listened to six hour-long lectures by Dr. Jennings while taking copious notes. From these notes I wrote a brief paper for the administrative committee at Ouachita Hills College. This paper strongly recommended that we not assign our students to listen to Dr. Jennings’ lectures.

Several months later I had, in one week, two individuals call me and ask about Dr. Jennings’ teachings. After writing the second response (to the two individuals) I concluded that I should place my paper to the executive committee in the public domain. I posted it on my website.

About three weeks later I was surprised to receive a call from Dr. Jennings himself. He kindly informed me that I had misrepresented him in my paper and had not acted in harmony with Bible principles by placing that paper in the public domain without having first contacted him.

That phone call persuaded me that I had not in all respects well summarized his teachings. It did not, however, persuade me that Brother Jennings was safer than I had first indicated.

This paper will replace the original. I hope to improve on that paper by more accurately representing what Timothy Jennings really teaches, by giving him an opportunity to see the paper before it is in the public eye, and by clarifying statements that were ambiguous or easily misunderstood.

But first, let me address the reason that I do not believe I must confront false teachers before exposing them. A false teacher neither offends me nor sins against me. I do not pretend to know his character. He is not ashamed of his teachings (if indeed he places them in the public domain). I oppose his teachings, not his person. And for that reason Romans 16:17-18 rather than Matthew 18, applies to my situation.

Yet I will admit that it is generally a good thing to talk to someone about what they believe before telling someone else what they believe. Misunderstandings are common. In the case of Mr. Jennings I felt that I well understood his position before writing. And after talking with him, I feel that I was fundamentally correct regarding what he teaches.

Initial Summary

Dr. Jennings’ lectures are content rich and are profusely illustrated. And if I am correct, Dr. Jennings is in grave danger.

Like Dr. Kellogg of yesteryear, he has been used by God to uncover a great deal of truth in his professional studies. His teachings regarding the relation of the various faculties of the mind (will, appetites, passions, reason, conscience, emotions, imagination, etc.) are profound and incredibly consistent with EGW’s teaching on the same.

And like Dr. Kellogg of yesteryear, he has woven into his presentations a deadly net of falsehoods that destroy the most fundamental of Christian virtues – faith.[1] I do not mean that Dr. Jennings teaches any of the same errors taught by Dr. Kellogg. Rather, I mean that both doctors eventually became icons of a dangerous mixture of truth and error.

In short, Dr. Jennings believes that God takes no initiative in causing prolonged pain during the destruction of the wicked, and that to prolong or cause punitive suffering is torture and that such a view of God (that he would cause prolonged pain as part of punishment) destroys love and trust.

More than this view, which is explained thoroughly in two of the lectures given at the Forest Lake church in Florida, and is alluded to in two others, Dr. Jennings has espoused a theory of the atonement that mirrors in some fundamental ways the moral influence theory[2].

He does not, for example, believe in substitutionary atonement. He makes light of the idea that sins must be “paid” for.

Jenning’s epistemology is troubling. He argues, when defending the views above, that we must reject any doctrine that requires us not to reason. But he explains this in such a way that if we believe that God is loving, and that God burns people for rebelling, such a dichotomy is not reasonable and the some point of it must be rejected.

Thus he, in his recorded lectures, inadvertently sets individual reason above inspiration. When a man’s reason can not grasp the harmony of two ideas (as Satan could not perceive any harmony between justice and mercy, a similar perplexity to the one facing Jennings), the man concludes that at least one of the ideas must be flawed. This has always been the essence of unbelief.

Jennings also repudiates ideas associated with the investigative judgment. He thinks not that sins are blotted from a record in heaven during the judgment. He mocks the idea that the our personal sins will be forever forgotten.

These views, woven into such a collection of profound insights into human nature, make for an extremely cogent parallel to the book Living Temple with its incredible insights into physiology interwoven around a philosophy of life-is-God.

And like the book Living Temple, which was critically evaluated by Jones, Waggoner, and several other notable messengers of God, and was pronounced harmless by them all, the lectures of Dr. Jennings seem to have elicited no protest from the audience. (This I gather from the 30 minute question and answer period at the conclusion of the final lecture.)

I must conclude that it would be irresponsible to encourage anyone to listen to his lectures.

The Doctrine of Justice

I have written elsewhere regarding the doctrine of justice. See, for example, my article on the draft.

There are several Bible facts about justice that relate to this discussion.

First, the angels (who are in the know) believe God’s judgments are perfectly fair. These heavenly beings witness pain and suffering caused by the seven last plagues. These plagues are punitive rather than corrective. (That is, they occur after the close of human probation.) And the suffering is fair, it is just. God is “holy” who judges the wicked. That is obvious, “manifest”, according to the righteous ones in Rev 15.

. . . the rivers and fountains of waters . . .  became blood. 5  And I heard the angel of the waters say, “Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. 6  For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.” 7  And I heard another out of the altar say, “Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.”

And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9  And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. 10  . . . and [some] gnawed their tongues for pain, 11  And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds. Re 16:4-11

And [the righteous] sing . . .  saying, “Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. 4  Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.” Re 15:3-4.

Second, when brethren study the Bible and despite their best efforts to harmonize yet can not see eye-to-eye, God has ordained the gifts of the Spirit to serve as a protection. They keep us from being blown around by winds of doctrine. And on the question of God’s executive judgment, the prophetic gift speaks plainly.

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; . . . That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; Eph 4:11, 14.

In the Garden of Gethsemane Christ suffered in man’s stead, and the human nature of the Son of God staggered under the terrible horror of the guilt of sin, until from His pale and quivering lips was forced the agonizing cry, “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me”; but if there is no other way by which the salvation of fallen man may be accomplished, then “not as I will, but as thou wilt” (Matthew 26:39).  {TMK 64.2}

The power that inflicted retributive justice upon man’s substitute and surety, was the power that sustained and upheld the suffering One under the tremendous weight of wrath that would have fallen upon a sinful world. Christ was suffering the death that was pronounced upon the transgressors of God’s law. It is a fearful thing for the unrepenting sinner to fall into the hands of the living God. This is proved by the history of the destruction of the old world by a flood, by the record of the fire which fell from heaven and destroyed the inhabitants of Sodom. But never was this proved to so great an extent as in the agony of Christ, . . . when He bore the wrath of God for a sinful world. . . .  {TMK 64.3}

Man has not been made a sin-bearer, and he will never know the horror of the curse of sin which the Saviour bore. No sorrow can bear any comparison with the sorrow of Him upon whom the wrath of God fell with overwhelming force. Human nature can endure but a limited amount of test and trial. The finite can only endure the finite measure, and human nature succumbs; but the nature of Christ had a greater capacity for suffering; for the human existed in the divine nature, and created a capacity for suffering to endure that which resulted from the sins of a lost world. The agony which Christ endured, broadens, deepens, and gives a more extended conception of the character of sin, and the character of the retribution which God will bring upon those who continue in sin. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ.  {TMK 64.4}

Satan rushes into the midst of his followers and tries to stir up the multitude to action. But fire from God out of heaven is rained upon them, and the great men, and mighty men, the noble, the poor and miserable, are all consumed together. I saw that some were quickly destroyed, while others suffered longer. They were punished according to the deeds done in the body. Some were many days consuming, and just as long as there was a portion of them unconsumed, all the sense of suffering remained. Said the angel, “The worm of life shall not die; their fire shall not be quenched as long as there is the least particle for it to prey upon.”  {EW 294.1}

The wicked receive their recompense in the earth. Proverbs 11:31. They “shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts.” Malachi 4:1. Some are destroyed as in a moment, while others suffer many days. All are punished “according to their deeds.” The sins of the righteous having been transferred to Satan, he is made to suffer not only for his own rebellion, but for all the sins which he has caused God’s people to commit. His punishment is to be far greater than that of those whom he has deceived. After all have perished who fell by his deceptions, he is still to live and suffer on. In the cleansing flames the wicked are at last destroyed, root and branch–Satan the root, his followers the branches. The full penalty of the law has been visited; the demands of justice have been met; and heaven and earth, beholding, declare the righteousness of Jehovah.  {GC 673.1}

Third, the idea that men receive a reward that is “according to their works” is a theme of scripture. The reward of the wicked includes “tribulation” and “wrath” and punishment more sore than dying without mercy under the law of Moses.

2Co 5:10  . . . that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

1Pe 1:17  . . . without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work.

2Co 11:15  . . . whose end shall be according to their works.

Re 20:12  . . . the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Re 20:13  . . . they were judged every man according to their works.

Re 2:23  . . . I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

2Ch 6:30  . . . and render unto every man according unto all his ways

Jer 17:10  . . . I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Ps 62:12  . . . for thou renderest to every man according to his work.

Isa 3:10  Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings. Isa 3:11  Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.

Mt 16:27  . . .  and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

 

Ro 2:5  But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Ro 2:6  Who will render to every man according to his deeds: Ro 2:7  To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: Ro 2:8  But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Ro 2:9  Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, . . .  For there is no respect of persons with God.

He 10:29  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30  For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31  It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Heb 10:28-31.

Fourth, Christ’s illustrations of the executive judgment harmonize well with the idea of a finite punishment that is painful and precisely just. And when Ezra prayed about God’s judgments on Israel (that included great suffering and horrible deaths inflicted by Babylon), he acknowledged that they had been punished “less” than they deserved.

Mt 18:34  And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

Ezra 9:13  Seeing that thou our God hast punished us less than our iniquities deserve.

Fifth, the danger of experiencing the wrath of God is part of the third angel’s message.

Re 14:10  The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

In short the doctrine of justice is present truth and it is no surprise that the devil would oppose it.

Dethroning Reason

Now when I talked to Dr. Jennings on the phone (April 17, 2009) he referred me to a statement where Ellen White talks about the idea of God torturing sinners as being a falsehood that overthrows reason.

From listening to his lectures it seems to me that Dr. Jennings believes that the purposeful painful punishment of sinners is irrational if one believes in a loving God. Now to me it seems perfectly rational that a loving God would nevertheless be willing to be fair even if being so was painful to himself. To inflict pain on the man that ordered torture for a humble servant of Jesus seems only just. In fact, it is when the persecutors are already dead that the blood of the martyrs calls out for God to avenge “our blood” in Revelation 6. So painful punishment seems rational to me and irrational to Jennings.

But whether it seems rational to Tim Jennings or myself is not a very important question. God is wiser than man. We must assume that his ideas are higher than ours even when we can not attain to them. Nevertheless, reason is one of the ruling powers in the Christian mind. It, rather than the appetites, is to guide the will. And when reason is “dethroned”, it is not because a man chooses to believe God’s Word. Rather, it is because he has become either a lunatic or a slave of his passions.

The following is the statement to which Tim was referring. I hope you can see that it does in no way excuse a man for exalting his reason over the plain statements of scripture. See the last sentence where teachers are bidden to check their sources of authority.

“I have since thought that many inmates of the lunatic asylums were brought there by experiences similar to my own. Their tender consciences have been stricken with a sense of sin, and their trembling faith dared not claim the promised pardon of God. They have listened to descriptions of the orthodox hell until it has seemed to curdle the very blood in their veins, and burnt an impression upon the tablets of their memory. Waking or sleeping, the frightful picture has ever been before them, until reality has become lost in imagination, and they see only the wreathing flames of a fabulous hell and hear only the shrieking of the damned. Reason has become dethroned and the brain is filled with the wild phantasy of a terrible dream. Those who teach the doctrine of an eternal hell, would do well to look more closely after their authority for so cruel a belief.  {LS80 153.3}

Ellen White does attack as contrary to our sense of justice the doctrine of eternal torment, or the doctrine that God enjoys punishing the wicked. But the very logic of the statements implies that a finite punishment would be a just yet unpleasant reality. See the second portion of the appendix.

The irony is that Satan, by teaching eternal torment, hoped to lead men to some of the very same conclusions that Tim Jennings has espoused. Men would conclude that God’s punishments must not be expected to be “literally” fulfilled.

Satan told his angels to make a special effort to spread the deception and lie first repeated to Eve in Eden, Thou shalt not surely die. And as the error was received by the people, and they believed that man was immortal, Satan led them still further to believe that the sinner would live in eternal misery. Then the way was prepared for Satan to work through his representatives, and hold up God before the people as a revengeful tyrant; that those who do not please him, he will plunge into hell, and cause them ever to feel his wrath; and that they will suffer unutterable anguish, while he will look down upon them with satisfaction, as they writhe in horrible sufferings and eternal flames. Satan knew that if this error should be received, God would be dreaded and hated by very many, instead of being loved and admired; and that many would be led to believe that the threatenings of God’s word would not be literally fulfilled; for it would be against his character of benevolence and love, to plunge beings whom he had created into eternal torments. {1SG 114.2}

Though Jennings has not gone as far down the road as the universalists (Ellen White mentions them in the context of the statement above), yet he has taken one key step in the same direction. The “threatenings,” some of them, have been explained as non-literal prophesies.

Still it is true that lost men, even while being consumed, will be bemoaning their sins. The thoughts of one such man are recorded by Solomon.

Pr 5:11  And thou mourn at the last, when thy flesh and thy body are consumed, 12  And say, How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof; 13  And have not obeyed the voice of my teachers, nor inclined mine ear to them that instructed me! 14  I was almost in all evil in the midst of the congregation and assembly.

While this essay is far from a thorough treatment of justice, and even further from a rounded treatment of atonement (see my article, “Atonement Cleansing”), yet it is sufficient I think to demonstrate why Jennings should not be followed as he travels down the road of being wise “above that which is written.”

Eze 33:20  Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.

God’s ways are fair.

Appendix Part I – A Critique of the Six Lectures Given at Forest Lake Academy

Lecture One

In his first lecture Dr. Jennings sets the stage for what he will develop more thoroughly in lectures four and six. He begins to explain that “lies believed” destroy love and trust. Then he begins to hint that the audience may even believe lies. Then, to paraphrase (all statements in quotes are quotes from my notes, paraphrases only of Dr. Jennings) him from my notes,

“The most destructive lies we believe are lies about God himself. Some of you will be shocked by the evidence. I want you to look at the information and weigh it.”

This idea is important to him. He emphasizes repeatedly that:

“Trust broken makes fear and selfishness…as a natural consequence. This idea is known as survival of the fittest – the opposite of God’s principle of love.”

What comes clear later is that if one believes in the standard Adventist position on the executive judgment and the substitutionary atonement, one will not trust God, but will become selfish and self protecting from such a cruel Being.

The first lecture ends with six suggestions. Suggestion number two introduces an idea that will be repeated throughout the series,

“If you have seen me [Jesus], you have seen the Father.”

This Jennings develops into a hermeneutic such that if Jesus didn’t punish then the Father won’t, if Jesus could forgive men before dying, then the Father could forgive men without Jesus dying. But that comes in lectures 4 and 6, and the person listening doesn’t realize what the repetition of the “principle” is setting him up to experience.

Lecture 2

This is the lecture on the Law of Liberty. It is fascinating. The short of it is that if a husband, for example, threatens to beat his wife if she will not obey, the natural consequence of this will be that

“love is damaged, and eventually destroyed. A desire to rebel is instilled.”

“If the woman stays, she loses her individuality, she becomes a shadow person.”

The principle seems true and obvious as it relates to marriage. But Dr. Jennings has wider applications in mind, and he begins to make them in this lecture.  If you believe that God threatens disobedience with punishment, “love is damaged” and see above for the rest. This places the cause for rebellion squarely at the feet of whoever inspired a prophet to threaten. Dr. Jennings indicates that he is very aware of the implications (though there is no evidence he is thinking of the implication just mentioned).

On a light note in a serious article, he says that the “stimulus package of Bush is a example of the law of love.” I don’t think this represents his best judgment.

In this lecture Jennings introduces one of what he calls “lies”, namely that:

“One of the lies is that the law of God brings death.”

He is saying that the law does not condemn men in such a way as to require their death.

He says:

“Does God have to use his power to kill? To inflict penalties?”

The implied answer is “no.”

There is an illustration that Jennings uses four or five times in his lecture series. Imagine, he says, a happily married couple. Someone approaches the wife with digitally altered photographs that falsely prove that her faithful husband has been having an affair. How will she react. Each time he uses the illustration he concludes:

“Lies believed lead to fear and selfishness.”

The problem with this illustration and conclusion is that it is one-sided. If the only kind of lie that could be told about God is that He is cruel, Jennings’ illustration would be more sensible. But there is an opposite type of lie, that God accepts you as you are. What does this lie lead to? Not “fear and selfishness” but self-confidence and selfishness. There are many lies and they produce a plethora of evil effects.

Lecture Three

In this lecture, on the family, Jennings begins to really advertise for his future lectures on the issues. He begins by making the case that lies about God are commonly believed and are the reason that people have problems with their relation to God. He urges people to come to the fourth lecture.

Like much in the first two lectures, this lecture is full of useful material on human-human interaction. But he makes one questionable point by suggesting a different translation of the proverb. I have not checked into this, but my gut reaction is that this is the wrong solution to the problem of well-raised lost children:

“Raise a child according to his way and when he is old he will not depart from it.”

Ironically, and interestingly, Dr. Jennings makes a good point about the damage done by threatening consequences to children and then not following through. He says the children will learn not to trust their parent. If only he had thought the implications of this through in relation to his theology regarding the judgment….

Lecture Four

“Our weapons are not spiritual, the battlefield is the mind, a war over ideas about what God is like. What happened in [a patient’s] mind when the preacher said what he did? She was hardened.”

This is the introduction to the primary lecture on what God is like.

The lecture boils down to “seven basic strategies” Satan uses, and defenses that “demolish Satan’s strongholds in our minds.”

1.         “Lies about God.”

“That he is cruel, etc.”

Lies harden us, and we create schemes to be protected from God.

“God will examine our healthy brother Jesus in our place.”

This second of what Jennings calls “lies” about God examining Jesus, is very subtle. It is the first attack on the idea of substitutionary atonement in the lectures. It mocks, by illustration, the idea of the Father accepting the righteousness of Jesus in place of our life in the judgment.

And how do we escape the lies?

“Defense: Examine the facts about the Father through the lens of Jesus. Don’t read the Old Testament to see Jesus, but study Jesus to understand the Old Testament.”

He sets up this unreal dichotomy as a standard. Such a standard would allow one to reinterpret obvious OT examples of executive execution.

Satan’s next strategy:

“2.       Antithetical beliefs. These turn off our brains.” Examples

“God is love.”

“Burn you in hell forever.”

“love and hell” are antithetical

“god is love” and “burn in hell” these “CANNOT BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME”

Jennings must sense that at this point some in the audience are feeling very uncomfortable. The last statement seemed to indicate that even a finite hell where God burns men can not be true if “God is love.”

“Someone says ‘I take God at faith, I just believe him.’ “you just turned off your brain.”

This is a direct exalting of human reason over inspiration. But he comes back and challenges:

“You think you have some verses, some inspired materials, that indicate that God will burn people? Bring them this afternoon, I would love to tell you what I believe about hell.”

He says that the idea that “God will inflict penalties” is antithetical to “God is love.”

He says “God does not use his power to inflict external penalties. All God has to do is let go and if he lets go, we will die.”

What is the defense against such so-called “lies” (that originate in Bible verses…)?

“Examine your beliefs in light of truth. Reject anything that requires you not to think.” And by this he seems to mean, anything that challenges your understanding, such as the harmony of justice and mercy.

Satan’s third strategy – to remove the meaning behind symbols.

He talks about how we sing about being cleansed “by the blood” as an example of an empty metaphor. He explains that “blood is life” and “the blood of Jesus is the life of Jesus.” “We are cleansed by the life of Jesus.”

But we are not cleansed, in the metaphor, by the blood in the lamb. We are cleansed by the blood spilled from the lamb. We are cleaned by the death, the shedding of the life, of Jesus. And this is an important point.

The fourth through seventh strategies are mostly well explained and harmless. But on the fifth… “Surrendering judgment to others.”

Here methinks that Dr. Jennings shows that he has read Graham Maxwell. He makes a point that we can not surrender our beliefs to the “28 beliefs” of the church and then launches into the “servants or friends” theme of Maxwell. But this is speculative on my part and he doesn’t make any applications here.

Lecture Five

Lecture 5 was on Depression. I didn’t take notes and was doing two things at once while listening to it.

Lecture Six

“Our Goal is to know God better, to develop trust and love and faith in God.”

Jennings begins with a list of myths about forgiveness.

One of these myths identified by Jennings is that “Forgiveness comes after the offender says ‘I’m sorry’”

His good point, that we should forgive before persons apologize, is extrapolated into a statement about forgiveness of sins: God has already forgiven us, even before we ask.

But while it is true that God loves us, gave all to save us, is not angry with us, yet the Bible places forgiveness as conditioned on confession and repentance.

“Myth three: Forgiveness requires payment.”

And this is the attack on substitutionary atonement.

“Anybody heard that forgiveness requires payment for our sins?”

“How many believe that Jesus died to pay our debt? That God forgives our debts as we forgive our debtors? If you collect the debt, can you forgive it? If you forgive it, can you collect it?”

Thus he confuses the issue of relationship and justice. I forgive my debtors as a response to God forgiving me. But I am not their Lawgiver. They sinned against God and hurt me. I forgive the hurt. The judgment deals with the sin. So God says “vengeance is mine, saith the Lord, and I will repay.”

He observes that in 1 Cor 13, “Love keeps no record of wrong” and uses this to belittle the idea of a record being kept of our sins in heaven.

He says that our view of atonement is a “split in the godhead” and thus false.

“Did Jesus need appeasement? Where did this distortion come from?”

Thus he seeks to equate what really expresses the idea of justice with what he calls appeasement. And that is a great fault.

He addresses this apparent objection to his views: “Without shedding of blood is no remission” He 9:22.

And his answer is a modern tweaking of the moral influence theory. Jesus died to show us love and thus change us. It is one truth pitted against another in such a way as to make the second look like a lie.

“ ‘[You say] the Father applies Christ’s record to our record and declares us innocent when we accept him.’ In what universe will it ever be true that Adam never sinned? If we say God declares us innocent, we make God out to be a liar.”

“The records will last through all eternity.”

You will find an attack on the doctrine of the blotting out of sins; you will find an attack on the use of records in the judgment of consecrated persons; You will find that sins are blotted “not from a book” but from our character. You will find that the punishment for sin is the damage the sinner experiences in sinning.

You will find him answer an objection or two about God’s OT threatenings by saying that God was desperate and risked being misunderstood by rebels by communicating in a way they might listen – in other words, (my extrapolation, not his:) God didn’t mean what He said.

You will find in the Q and A, after the lecture, that a lady asked him more about “hell.”

His summary is that God is a fire that burns sin, not material things, so the people won’t be burned, but will die naturally from the brightness of God and the sin in them will be naturally consumed by the fire of God’s presence, so God will not actually do anything to destroy them.

And this flies entirely in the face of both scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy.

You will find the strangest argument from the Greek word for sulfur in the third angel’s message.

Appendix Part II – Ellen White on an Eternally Burning Hell and the Sufferings of the Lost

How repugnant to every emotion of love and mercy, and even to our sense of justice, is the doctrine that the wicked dead are tormented with fire and brimstone in an eternally burning hell; that for the sins of a brief, earthly life they are to suffer torture as long as God shall live. Yet this doctrine has been widely taught, and is still embodied in many of the creeds of Christendom. Said a learned doctor of divinity: “The sight of hell-torments will exalt the happiness of the saints forever. When they see others who are of the same nature and born under the same circumstances, plunged in such misery, and they so distinguished, it will make them sensible of how happy they are.” Another used these words: “While the decree of reprobation is eternally executing on the vessels of wrath, the smoke of their torment will be eternally ascending in view of the vessels of mercy, who, instead of taking the part of these miserable objects, will say, Amen, Alleluia! praise ye the Lord!”  {GC88 535.1}

Where, in the pages of God’s Word, is such teaching to be found? Will the redeemed in Heaven be lost to all emotions of pity and compassion, and even to feelings of common humanity? Are these to be exchanged for the indifference of the stoic, or the cruelty of the savage?—No, no; such is not the teaching of the Book of God. Those who present the views expressed in the quotations given above may be learned and even honest men; but they are deluded by the sophistry of Satan. He leads them to misconstrue strong expressions of Scripture, giving to the language the coloring of bitterness and malignity which pertains to himself, but not to our Creator. “As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die?” [Ezekiel 33:11.]  {GC88 535.2}

What would be gained to God should we admit that he delights in witnessing unceasing tortures; that he is regaled with the groans and shrieks and imprecations of the suffering creatures whom he holds in the flames of hell? Can these horrid sounds be music in the ear of Infinite Love? It is urged that the infliction of endless misery upon the wicked would show God’s hatred of sin as an evil which is ruinous to the peace and order of the universe. Oh, dreadful blasphemy! As if God’s hatred of sin is the reason why he perpetuates sin. For, according to the teachings of these theologians, continued torture without hope of mercy maddens its wretched victims, and as they pour out their rage in curses and blasphemy, they are forever augmenting their load of guilt. God’s glory is not enhanced by thus perpetuating continually increasing sin through ceaseless ages.  {GC88 536.1}

It is beyond the power of the human mind to estimate the evil which has been wrought by the heresy of eternal torment. The religion of the Bible, full of love and goodness, and abounding in compassion, is darkened by superstition and clothed with terror. When we consider in what false colors Satan has painted the character of God, can we wonder that our merciful Creator is feared, dreaded, and even hated? The appalling views of God which have spread over the world from the teachings of the pulpit have made thousands, yes, millions, of skeptics and infidels.  {GC 536.2}

The theory of eternal torment is one of the false doctrines that constitute the wine of the abomination of Babylon, of which she makes all nations drink. Revelation 14:8; 17:2. That ministers of Christ should have accepted this heresy and proclaimed it from the sacred desk is indeed a mystery. They received it from Rome, as they received the false sabbath. True, it has been taught by great and good men; but the light on this subject had not come to them as it has come to us. They were responsible only for the light which shone in their time; we are accountable for that which shines in our day. If we turn from the testimony of God’s word, and accept false doctrines because our fathers taught them, we fall under the condemnation pronounced upon Babylon; we are drinking of the wine of her abomination.  {GC 536.3}

A large class to whom the doctrine of eternal torment is revolting are driven to the opposite error. They see that the Scriptures represent God as a being of love and compassion, and they cannot believe that He will consign His creatures to the fires of an eternally burning hell. But holding that the soul is naturally immortal, they see no alternative but to conclude that all mankind will finally be saved. Many regard the threatenings of the Bible as designed merely to frighten men into obedience, and not to be literally fulfilled. Thus the sinner can live in selfish pleasure, disregarding the requirements of God, and yet expect to be finally received into His favor. Such a doctrine, presuming upon God’s mercy, but ignoring His justice, pleases the carnal heart and emboldens the wicked in their iniquity.  {GC 537.1}

 



[1] Dr. Jennings does not acknowledge that he undermines faith by his teachings. He feels that I misrepresent him on this point. To this I counter that faith is simply living by and believing all that God says. Any one, then, who teaches that God’s plain statements cannot be understood literally, undermines faith. More on this later.

[2] Dr. Jennings distinguishes his belief from the moral influence theory on the basis that he believes Jesus did much more than simply make a demonstration. He accomplished, Jennings correctly teaches, a great deal that is essential to our salvation. He worked out a perfect character that is made available to us. Nevertheless, this sounds more like a refinement of the theory than a repudiation of it. Peter Abelard was seeking to get away from the very same ideas of penal justice that Dr. Jennings seeks to discredit.

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Which are Diverse and Strange Doctrines

Diverse and Strange Doctrines

How to Know which Winds Demand our Attention

A study prepared for Larissa Brown by Eugene Prewitt, February 2008

Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. Heb 13:9

It is a simple matter to realize that Satan would like to distract men from their duty. Less obvious, however, is the way of determining which doctrinal issues are the distractions. Certainly it is our duty to study.

And it would not do to say that any doctrine that seems unimportant is a distracting one. The importance of the truth may not always be apparent to the casual observer. It makes no sense to some, for example, why God would use Sabbath as a dividing issue in the end of time.

Yet He will. And a careful study reveals the perfect propriety of choosing the fourth commandment as the basis of the final test.

Our text indicates that there are doctrines that should be labeled “diverse and strange.” To obey the text we must have some way of knowing which doctrines these are. Otherwise we can not resist being carried around by them.

Here are a few observations from the text:

1.         The strange doctrines are, metaphorically, winds. That is how they can carry persons about.

2.         There are good doctrines that differ somewhat from the strange ones. They establish the heart “with grace.”

3.         The strange doctrines are “meats.” This is apparently in contrast with doctrinal “milk” as described earlier in the same book.

4.         The strange “meats” occupy persons – keep them busy.

5.         The business does not “profit” persons.

With these hints we may find enough information to help us recognize which doctrines should not be permitted to carry us around.

Winds

Eph 4:14  That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15  But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

From this passage we perceive that metaphorical children are more likely to be tossed around by winds of doctrine. From the verses before it (11-13) we find that God gave the gifts of the Spirit to prevent us from being carried about by the winds.

We would also learn that the winds are promoted by cunningly wise men who are anxious to promote their views.

And we would learn from these two verses that the opposite of being carried away is to speak “the truth in love” while growing up into the character of Christ.

We could conclude that the unhealthful doctrinal winds would be opposed by the gifts operating in the church, and that they would be zealously promoted by intriguing arguments.

It follows logically, at least, that the promoters would of necessity need to find some way to undermine the credibility of the gifts which expose their error.

Established with Grace

Stability is a Salvational issue. Those that endure to the end are saved. Matthew 24:15. Those that hold their confidence steadfast receive the promise. The others fall back to perdition. Heb 10:35-39. (See also 2Pe 1:4; 2:21-22; 1 Co 15:1-2.)

“The Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.” 2Th 3:3.

Holiness is the goal of stability. We are established, or settled, so that we will resist temptation. This process of being established in our resistance, the work of grace, takes “a while.”

1Pe 5:10  But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

 

Our leading text in this study contrasted the effect of “strange doctrines” with “grace.” While the latter gives stability to our hearts, the former do not. Then the more we learn about the way that grace builds us up, the better we will be able to indentify those “diverse” doctrines that make little contribution to our strength.

Doctrinal errors in Paul’s day were opposed[1] and this strengthened the church.

Ac 16:4  And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem. 5  And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.

What is the connection between resolving the doctrinal issue and the churches being established? Doctrinal division tends to bring out the worst in people. And it is difficult to bring new believers into churches that are the scenes of heated arguments.

Hebrews 13:9 contrasts this effect with that of our hearts being established with grace. It is grace that gives us “a good hope” and “everlasting consolation” and so comforts our “hearts.” When our heart is thus encouraged we are established in our right doing. We are morally lifted.

2Th 2:15 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 17  Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

Our hearts are established in these good words and works with love. By leading us to a more fervent love for our brethren God intends to settle us, to prepare us for Christ’s Coming.

1Th 3:12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: 13  To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Argument, of course, does not tend to increase our mutual affection.

Yet doctrinal unity, rather than doctrinal apathy, was the stabilizing element in Acts 16 above. As we received Christ Jesus by repentance and faith, so we are to walk “in him, rooted and built up in him, and established in the faith, as ye have been taught.” Col. 2:6-7.

But what if there is an issue that conscientious brethren can not see eye-to-eye on, an issue not authoritatively settled by prophets in the manner of Acts 15? How do we achieve stabilizing love and accuracy of teaching in such a case?

Just such an issue did surface after the Acts 15 meeting. Many men felt that Jesus had given continuity to the Passover by saying, at the last supper, that we should keep it till He returns.

They taught that we should keep the Passover as a holy day. While we need not eat the lamb (since we eat bread symbolizing the same thing), we should, they thought, eat the bitter herbs and participate in other Passover rites. Biblical presentations could be made on both sides of the question – for the complete abolition of the ceremonial system, and for the retention of this part of it.

Paul’s inspired answer to the perplexity promoted both mutual love and doctrinal integrity. We should, he taught, receive brethren that differ with us as brethren. But there is a limit to how we ought to receive them.

Ro 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Men who kept the Passover and who ate only bitter herbs on that day were to be appreciated and treated with Christian respect despite their error. But they were not to be allowed to make an issue of their convictions for others.[2]

 

Why not receive the brother with his doubtful disputation intact? Disputations, doubtful ones, tend to “spoil” men through “philosophy.” This is the normal “tradition” of successful doctrinal winds. The various arguments bewilder the student. Inspiration itself is belittled as the confused person asks why inspired materials seem to contradict each other. See Col 2:6-10.

When Paul wanted to establish the Romans, he knew how he would accomplish the aim. The gifts of the Spirit build up love and faith. They encourage temperance and longsuffering. They settle doctrinal issues. In short, they establish the heart with grace.

Ro 1:11  For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;

The gifted Timothy was directed to distinguish between teachings that were well known to the church community and teachings that were obscure. The former, being well represented in the plain teachings of the apostle, were to be fodder for the gospel cannon.

2Ti 2:1 ¶  Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2  And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

The verse above shows that doctrinal integrity is a family matter. Individuals need each other to attain it. They need “witness” from the community regarding what has been established to be true by faithful elders. They need teachers who have respect for well-established positions.

While each individual is to be a studious workman in mining the Word for truth, each is also charged to “strive not about words” when disagreements arise in the church family. Persons listening to such arguments tend to be overthrown in their faith.

2Ti 2:14  Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

2Ti 2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

While we should simultaneously study the Word and yet “shun profane and vain babblings.” “Profane” sounds sinister. But it really means “common.” It developed its evil sound from the truth that it is wicked to mix the sacred and the common.  “Vain” can mean either proud or useless. The latter meaning, empty talk, is intended here.

2Ti 2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16  But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17  And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18  Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

So men are bidden to “study” in a way that God approves, to study helpful and sacred themes and not fall into bickering on other matters. Men with doctrinal innovations, ideas not taught by Paul among many witnesses, have a cancerous message.

In this passage two babblers concluded, likely from their study of Matthew 24, that the resurrection must have occurred at the Destruction of Jerusalem. “Some” were led astray by this fascinating teaching.

How are persons overthrown by doctrinal innovations? They are overthrown by the degradation of their moral character. Something is putrefying within even while they appear to grow in holiness, even while their followers are admiring their faithfulness.

Pride swells. The man becomes less inclined to hear “wholesome” correction. The bitter nature of argument continues its foul work.

1Ti 6:3  If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4  He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5  Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

The moral work of building character, described in 2 Peter 1 as climbing a ladder of virtues, gives us stability. Though we have heard the “present truth” many times, we need to hear it repeatedly.

2Pe 2:12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

Character building, in harmony with Christ’s core teachings, keeps us from falling. The cultivation of the ladder’s virtues assure us an abundant entrance “into the everlasting kingdom.” This is, and always will be, “present truth.”

More than this, the present truth’s tone and content condition us to recognize moral value with our spiritual sight. It enables to perceive the big-picture value of various topics and so aids us in identifying “strange doctrines.” But those who neglect either character-construction or defect-reduction lack such insight.

2Pe 1:9  But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10  Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11  For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 12 ¶  Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth. 13  Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;

So, in summary, how may our hearts be established with grace? By individual study of the Word with the aim of character development. The Word empowers such activity. Central doctrinal tenets of the church family, those well represented by the plain teachings of the apostles, deserve constant attention.

Side issues spoil men’s character while diverting their studious energies away from the work of character preparation. But the wholesome and plain teachings of the Bible are no canker. They are able to build us up.

Ac 20:32  And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Flesh for Infant Consumption

It is an irony that diverse and strange doctrines target spiritual “babes.” The metaphor of “meats” reminds us that spiritual life develops in an orderly fashion. While we still struggle with basic human courtesies or with being able to teach men skillfully how to use the Bible to “discern good and evil”, we are spiritual infants and need the “milk of the Word.”

1 Co 3:1  And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2  I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3  For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Heb 5:12  For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. Heb 5:13  For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. Heb 5:14  But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

1Pe 2:2  As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

And just as we are learning to crawl spiritually Satan arranges for us to have a pound of flesh. Long-term health issues mean nothing in this illustration. At the moment death from choking is the immanent danger.

We don’t have the teeth needed to be benefitted by the flesh. As our teeth mature we will also, simultaneously, grow in wisdom. By the time we are able to chew steak we will also be equipped (if taught well) to know which foods to accept and which to refuse.

This is all true in the spiritual life as well. The church, not more spiritual today than Corinth of yesteryear, is more a nursery than a school. While pastors are invited to play the discerning part of nurses, even the infants are commanded to “desire” the milk. These infants may diagnose their spiritual youthfulness with the keys of 1 Corinthians 3 and of Hebrews 5.

And how are the “strange” doctrines of Hebrews 13 characterized? They are “meats.” They are inappropriate for consumption at our age even if otherwise wholesome.

They are not, of course, wholesome. But at our age we might not be able to discern that, so we are to desire the “milk.”

What is the “milk”? What are those “first principles” of Hebrews 5:12? The answer is in the next verse after those already quoted:

Heb 6:1 . . .  the principles of the doctrine of Christ . . . the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2  Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Here are the basics. Study repentance, study faith, study the meaning of baptism. Understand the purpose of ordination. Sink your shaft into the mine of truths that center around the hope of resurrection. Meditate on the scenes of the judgment.

And as mother’s milk has been found to jump-start the development of an infants immune system, so these topics will be found to inoculate many from the very errors that are being fed to the church today.

Occupied with Strange “Meats” or How Shall we Consider Jesus?

No activity promises such rich rewards as meditation regarding our Savior. In Him we find themes to engage our imagination with utmost profit. There we find marrow and meat in due season.

But there are questions that may be asked about Jesus which, so far from aiding our contemplation of him, actually serve to distract us from his beauties.

As an illustration, we might begin with a description of his physical being while on earth. Was he tall or short? Brown hair or black? Was he Semite or of those Ethiopian Jews of the black race? Did he have a large nose or a more common one? Were his legs of equal length?

Of course we may not be able to answer these questions with any certainty. Though we have artistic descriptions of many of the world’s great men, though Jesus was the hero of many in his own generation, these kind of details were never revealed. They are casual facts – truths that carry no moral value.

The beauty of Jesus is “holiness.” We adore Him, not for his appearance, but for his character. We love Him, for example, because He first loved us. We fear Him because of his infinite power as manifest in the creation of the universe.

Ps 96:9  O worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness: fear before him, all the earth.

1Jo 4:19  We love him, because he first loved us.

Ro 1:20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

When the Bible speaks about glorifying God it speaks of doing good works that others may see his glory. We are told to declare his mighty works among the heathen. Angels ascribe glory to him during the seven last plagues because his “judgments are made manifest.”

Re 15:4  Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

So when the Bible bids us think on God, it recommends to our thought two categories of attributes – his mercy and his wrath.

Ro 11:22  Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

In this way of thinking it is easy to understand how “knowing” Jesus brings us all things that pertains to life and godliness. We are changed by thinking about the very characteristics that we consider. His kindness, gentleness, wisdom and courage invite us to imitate his beauties.

We are not, however, invited to imitate the fact that he was a male. While there were reasons that he chose to be born as a boy, there is no moral value attached to the male gender. Ladies may be as completely holy as their male counterparts.

Christ’s patience under oppression could overcome our own lethargy, if we would let it. We would be changed into his same image.

When we consider the suffering, reproach, and indignity that Jesus suffered without murmuring or retaliating, that he might redeem man, and elevate him to his own right hand, how much are we willing to endure and sacrifice, that we may have a part in the work of rescuing perishing souls, and thus enter into the joy of our Lord? “If we suffer, we shall also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us.” It is of the greatest consequence that we understand what we are placed in this world for. We are not here to glorify self or to seek our own pleasure, but to glorify our Father which is in Heaven, and to carry on the work begun by the great Teacher of righteousness.  {ST, November 3, 1887 par. 9}

2Co 3:18  But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Jesus had character before he had a body. He was like his Father in character. He existed in the same “image” as the word is used in the text above. Not that the Father and the Son were identical twins, nor that they were a cosmic version of cloned persons, but that they shared the same beauty of holiness – that is the point of the following verse.

Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Just as there are moral qualities regarding Jesus that we should know, and that help us grow; there are moral qualities about the Father of the same nature.

They are the same qualities.

John 14:8  Philip saith unto him, “Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.” 9  Jesus saith unto him, “Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, ‘Shew us the Father?’ 10  Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”

Jesus shows, in this passage, that his likeness to the Father, the likeness that men can see, is not a collection of facial features. Rather, it is a similarity, an exact harmony, of words and works.

Does God also have qualities that have no moral value? He has a face. He has “hinder parts” that Moses saw. But Moses didn’t describe them. No prophet has.

There are some other things that have never been revealed. They have no moral value for humans. They would not contribute to our faithfulness or to our success in doing all the words of God’s law.

De 29:29  The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

What a trick of the devil it would be to lead us to speculate regarding the unrevealed aspects under plea that we should know Jesus.

I will venture to suggest that the popular differences of opinion regarding whether Jesus has existed from eternity, or from nearly that long ago is just such a characteristic as the color of God’s skin. While His divinity is “everything to us,” His particular age, whether it is billions of years or infinite, is not.

The question of the nature of the Spirit of God is another. We are changed by knowing the character of the Spirit.  We are strengthened by the Spirit in the inner man. We are dependant on the power of the Spirit to work through us.

But whether the Spirit has a body makes no material difference in our experience. Whether the Spirit is a third member of the Godhead, or whether the Spirit is the mind of the two members, or whether the mind of the other two has all the attributes of a personal being, or whether the nature of the Spirit is beyond human comprehension (a likely reality) – these theories just do not change the nature of how I need the Spirit to be active in my life.

These theories are empty. Or, in the wording of Hebrews 13:9, “vain.”

Spiritual Profits

In all labor there is profit. God teaches us to do spiritual labor and to reap spiritual growth.

Is 47:17  Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. 18  O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

Tranquility is part of the great gain gathered through doing what God says. How little of this, however, comes from strange and diverse doctrines. These “have not profited” those who have been occupied with them.

Peace affords efficiency in doing God’s work. The flip-side of this is that diverse and strange doctrines distract us from God’s work. In this way they are similar to romance during a time of lethal persecution. Both the romance and the strange doctrine hinder our attention to the work for this time.

1Co 7:35  And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.

(The thought occurs to me at this juncture that the leading figures in promoting various strange doctrines are often full-time employed in this work. The effect of this is that they are able to produce an uncanny volume of written materials, correspondence and rebuttals that can not be matched, in volume, by family men holding positions of trust in God’s cause. Then if persons are prone to judge truth by the preponderance of writing they will surely fall prey to self-appointed teachers.)

The “profit” that Paul sought for others was that they might be saved. The profit that our Father in heaven seeks is our “holiness.” These profits always run together.

1Co 10:33  Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

Heb 12:10  For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

And though men carp to the contrary, salvation is not based on the acceptance of various and strange doctrines. It is based rather on the acceptance of the truths communicated by the work of the Spirit through the “gifts.” Such acceptance is “faith” and allows men to prosper in all things, “withal.”

1Co 12:7  But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

The faulty use of languages removes the profit from spiritual revelations either by making the words difficult to understand or by sharing words that are not inspired. This shows plainly that the profit comes from the ease of understanding inspired statements.

1Co 14:6  Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? . . . 9  So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

The strange and various teachings of Hebrews 13:9 sound similar to the arguments regarding “words” in 2Ti 2:14.

2Ti 2:14  Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

The gospel, an inspired and easy to understand message, may fail of profiting men as verily as an error – if it is not believed.

Heb 4:2  For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

And this shows that profit comes from believing the easy to understand revelations of the prophets.

Then which doctrines are “strange”? They would include those that find someway to get around believing the easy to understand revelations of the prophets.

Conclusion

There are steps to escaping the doctrinal gusts of our time. Foremost among these is the work of character development. Heresies are a fruit of the flesh (Gal 5:19) and “none of the wicked will understand” Dan 12:10.

Character development has been assigned to men especially during the judgment. Satan, even eager to distract us from our work, has sought to distract us from it.

So while the core truths for this time and the milk of the word and the character of Jesus are a unit that changes us as we meditate on it, there are other doctrines that fail to profit in this way.

They are doctrines that do not show us how to live. They are doctrines that skirt simple inspired statements with some sort of unbelief. They are complex doctrines that defy the average man to untangle them. They, accordingly, are sources of “doubtful disputations” and “doting about questions” which promote evil feelings between brethren.

“Desire the milk of the Word that you may grow thereby.” That is Peter’s counsel to us.

Paul’s counsel is to stay occupied with the beneficial themes.

And my conclusion is that there are many doctrines agitated today that qualify precisely for the “diverse and strange” ones that ought not to move us. But until we get moving in the work of adding virtue to virtue we may find ourselves blind to know which winds are “strange.”

Then let us seek holiness and claim the promise:

“The wise shall understand.” Dan 12:10

 



[1] Many parts of the New Testament are easier to understand when one studies the book of Acts. We find there that Christian Jews differed from Paul regarding which Old Testament laws ought to be kept. Particularly, the Christians from Jerusalem said that we must be circumcised. They also enforced certain parts of the “Law of Moses” that they felt were not abrogated at the cross. Acts 15:5, et al.

The world church in representative session met to decide this question based on the writings of the prophets. When it was resolved (on the side of Paul and against the Jerusalem Christians), the decision was delivered to the various cities where Christianity had churches.  This “established” the churches “in the faith” and facilitated their growth.

[2] Both sides of the question were to acknowledge the conscientiousness of each other, to be fully (studiously) persuaded of their own position, and to prepare for the judgment.

Ro 14:1 ¶  Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2  For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3  Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4  Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5  One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6  He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. . . .  10  But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

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Regarding Dreams and Ernie Knoll

SECTION ONE: INTRODUCING THE DREAMS

I first read a dream of Ernie Knoll many months ago.  A large church with a variety of worship styles figured prominently in the dream. It was the Seventh-day Adventist Church in figure. Irreverence, fashion, anxiety over baptismal rates, and worldly music characterized a number of church sanctuaries within the large structure.

My values and ideas about the future were well expressed in the overall presentation. A shaking is coming that will remove unfaithful persons, restore reverential worship, and will lead to an influx of earnest Christians.

I didn’t know that the dreamer thought his dream was inspired.

Perhaps you have read the dreams of Ernie Knoll. It seems that two or three persons each week ask me what I think of his dreams. Now I am committing my response to those frequent questions to print.

One encouraging aspect of this business is that anyone who reads this document carefully will come away with a wealth of truth from the pen of Ellen White that will certainly be helpful in life – even if Ernie had never had a dream that needed to be evaluated.

Testing the Dreams

My first thought is that we are not ready for this kind of test. We are not spiritually mature. We, as a whole, are “yet carnal.” And spiritual things are spiritually discerned.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. . . .[And] ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 1Co 2:14, 3:3

Every one of us will be sorely tempted; our faith will be tried to the uttermost. We must have a living connection with God; we must be partakers of the divine nature; then we shall not be deceived by the devices of the enemy, and shall escape the corruption that is in the world through lust.  {2SM 50.1}[1]

My second thought is that we are remarkably ignorant of thoroughly-revealed truths. We are sadly deficient in our obedience to “beware of false prophets.” We seem oblivious to the idea that sheep’s clothing recommends no man as a safe guide to the flock.

A third point: We have an entire book section of the Testimonies devoted to helping us in evaluating revelations and dreams. The section is neither obscure nor difficult to locate. You may find it in chapters 4 through 11 of Selected Messages, volume 2.

Point four: The idea that Satan would not do or teach something useful to God’s cause is, well, not well thought out. What do I mean? I mean that if the devil were to make a stab at introducing a new prophet, it would be a great idea to have that prophet bring many people into the church, promote canvassing, translate the book Evangelism into a new tribal dialect, etc.. A believable false prophet is quite a trophy and may be worth a little loss in some other fields. We should not be so easy to trick.

A fifth point and then we will go to the dreams themselves: This kind of dream-related scenario is going to come up again. There will be true manifestations of God-given dreams in the last days. And we have been hyper-warned that there will be an increase in the manifestations of false dreams. When one considers how many persons claimed to be led by God through dreams in Ellen White’s day, the idea of “increase” is significant.

In fact, you might want to skip to Section Three before reading Section Two. There you will find a great deal more about prophets in general. And there you will find that the most prominent false prophets of 20th century Adventism were able to write and testify for quite some time making neither a single glaring inconsistency with themselves nor with the Testimonies.

It is for this reason that you will find Ellen White urging great caution to those entertaining hopeful thoughts regarding new persons claiming to have dreams from heaven.

SECTION TWO: THE DREAMS

Meaningful Elements in Symbolic Dreams

The following is a quotation from one of Ernie’s dreams.

I notice on the far mountain ridge what looks like a black panther of some type. Myself and one of the men watch as this creature leaps through the air, landing just above the opening of the cave. I now notice it is an awful looking  creature. Its skin looks dry and black. It looks down at me and hisses. Its teeth are long and it is drooling. It says, “I hate you! I am going to kill you!”

Let me place next to this the most similar type of writing I can find by an inspired author.

Da 7:7  After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Here are a few differences that I notice between the two passages. In the second, Daniel 7:7, the beast represents a nation. This is explained a little later in that chapter. The strength of the beast represents the comparative strength of Rome to Greece and Persia. The iron in the teeth is a reference to the metal that enabled that nation to engulf other nations. The residue stamped represents the remnant – shown to be overcome by the same beast in Revelation 13. The word “diverse” is a reference to a change from the continual pattern of nations to the papacy (we find that it is the “little horn” later in the chapter that makes this beast “diverse.”) The ten horns represent ‘ten kings’ as we are told later in the chapter. In short, every element is significant. Every element is explained by scripture.

But I wonder about the mountain ridge (in the Sierras, we read earlier in the dream), the “one” person with “myself”, the leap, the “above” the “opening”, the dry skin, the hissing, the teeth, the drool.  These elements are not explained in Ernie’s dreams. Nor are they explained in scripture. Nor in the Testimonies. How do we know what they mean?

My dreams are often filled with fascinating elements. I don’t tend to have scary dreams, but if I did this dream would be similar in character to something that might come to me if I had gone to sleep thinking on religious themes. Many persons that suppose they have inspired dreams are simply vivid, or even lucid, dreamers. The verse for these is:

Ec 5:3  For a dream cometh through the multitude of business;

I do not expect anything of the kind regarding Ernie’s dreams in general. But it would not surprise me if, for many persons, their prophetic walk begins with lucid dreams and ends with the devil taking advantage of their weaknesses to produce false ones.

The contrast between Daniel 7:7 and Ernie’s dream is not conclusive evidence against his inspiration. But it is a significant contrast to be kept in mind.

Evidence from Providence

There are several times on the website when the word “providence” appears. These are cases, stories, of God’s guidance of Ernie or others. The “testimonies” section and the story of Ernie’s personal healing from colitis are both interesting.

Do these indications of providence point to Ernie as an inspired individual? I am afraid that the fact that they are advertized on the website makes these providences point in the very opposite direction.

Let none cherish the idea that special providences or miraculous manifestations are to be the proof of the genuineness of their work or of the ideas they advocate. If we keep these things before the people, they will produce an evil effect, an unhealthful emotion. The genuine working of the Holy Spirit on human hearts is promised, to give efficiency through the Word. Christ has declared the Word to be spirit and life. “The earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea” (Habakkuk 2:14, A.R.V.).  {2SM 48.1}

God’s Approval of Ernie’s Actions regarding the Dreams

 

I might be able to reason like this: “Maybe Ernie shouldn’t be advertising these providences as evidence in favor of the dreams. But this was his idea, not an idea from the dreams, so it really isn’t evidence one way or the other regarding the legitimacy of the dreams.”

 

But that would be faulty on one major account: Ernie claims inspiration, not only for the dreams, but even for the way the website is designed. Quoting from one of the dreams:

What Becky and I are doing with the ministry is exactly as He has planned.

There is no error in anything we have done.

These are messages that He has sent to His people. He is the author and inspiration of not only the dreams, but also the correspondence and the website. The 4 His People Ministry is very important.

This phrase, “no error in anything we have done” seems contrary to the spirit and tone of all that is written in the writings of apostles and prophets.

Spirit-Guided Bible Study versus Spiritual Impressions

Now consider one of the most significant troubles I find in the dreams. Ernie and his believers are led to expect guidance and answers from the Holy Spirit and from angels and from dreams. And where they might be directed to do earnest Bible study or searching of the Testimonies, they are often rather directed to seek direction from a more direct communication from heaven. This is sometimes subtle, yet pervasive throughout.

Here is the crux of the matter: Satan fears the effect of earnest Bible study. He has always been gratified if he could lead men to seek for impressions of the “Holy Spirit.” Ellen White never cooperated with this aim. Her warnings are filled with calls to earnest Spirit-powered Bible searching.

False messengers of the past have led the people, as we might expect, to seek for spiritual feelings, for the guidance of the “Holy Spirit.” They confound the feelings for the Spirit.

The people want a sign, as in the days of Christ. Then the Lord told them that no sign should be given them. The sign that should be manifest now and always is the working of the Holy Spirit upon the mind of the teacher, to make the Word as impressive as possible. The Word of God is not a dead, dry theory, but spirit and life. Satan would like nothing better than to call minds away from the Word, to look for and expect something outside of the Word to make them feel. They should not have their attention called to dreams and visions. If they would have eternal life, they must eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of God.–Letter 68, 1894.  {2SM 95.3}

Those who search the Scriptures will find explicit instruction as to what God requires of them on points of practical religious life. You are making a mistake in calling the attention of the flock of God from the Word, the unerring word of prophecy. Take heed what you hear, and be cautious what you receive. {2SM 88.1}

Now contrast this idea, that the Spirit is given to make the Word impressive, with the idea held by some persons that had dreams in Luther’s day:

Luther had presented to the people the word of God as the rule by which their character and faith should be tested. These men substituted for that unerring guide the changeable and uncertain standard of their own feelings and impressions.

“What is the use,” asked they, “of such close application to the Scriptures? Nothing is heard of but the Bible. Can the Bible preach to us? Can it suffice for our instruction? If God had intended to instruct us by a book, would he not have sent us a Bible direct from Heaven? It is by the Spirit only that we can be enlightened. God himself speaks to us, and shows us what to do and what to say.” Thus did these men seek to overthrow the fundamental principle on which the Reformation was based,–the word of God as an all-sufficient standard of faith and practice. By this act of setting aside the great detector of error and falsehood, the way was opened for Satan to control minds as best pleased himself.  {ST, October 18, 1883}

Contrast how the “Herald” responds to Ernie’s objection regarding his limited Biblical knowledge with the following statement by Ellen White:

Ernie:

As for me not having a broad understanding of the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy, the Herald says that I have a broader understanding than I might know . . . . The angel says that the Great Teacher has many ways of teaching other than what one can read in what He has written.

White:

There is constant danger of allowing something to come into our midst that we may regard as the workings of the Holy Spirit, but that in reality is the fruit of a spirit of fanaticism. So long as we allow the enemy of truth to lead us into a wrong way, we cannot hope to reach the honest in heart with the third angel’s message. We are to be sanctified through obedience to the truth. I am afraid of anything that would have a tendency to turn the mind away from the solid evidences of the truth as revealed in God’s Word. I am afraid of it; I am afraid of it. We must bring our minds within the bounds of reason, lest the enemy so come in as to set everything in a disorderly way. {2SM 43.2}

Of course, what the “angel” says is true. God has many means of teaching. But that is not a truth intended to comfort persons who are aware of their poverty of scriptural knowledge. Even honored prophets are expected to study diligently (Daniel 9:1-5). Even Jesus was a diligent student of the scriptures.

When Ernie made reference to his lack of breadth in knowledge he could have been directed by the angel in the same way that Godly men have always been directed. The “many ways” is not the way they have been directed to supplement their lack of Biblical breadth.

Many of our ministers can present to the people only a few doctrinal discourses. The same exertion and application which made them familiar with these points, will enable them to gain an understanding of others. The prophecies and other doctrinal subjects should be thoroughly understood by them all. But some who have been engaged in preaching for years, are content to confine themselves to a few subjects, being too indolent to search the Scriptures diligently and prayerfully, that they may become giants in the understanding of Bible doctrines and the practical lessons of Christ. {GW92 169.1}

This key point – that men ought to seek direction and answers through scripture rather than through angels and impressions and dreams – seems to be most vital.

The Spirit was not given–nor can it ever be bestowed–to supersede the Bible; for the Scriptures explicitly state that the word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Says the apostle John, “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1. And Isaiah declares, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20.  {GC vii.3}

Now consider the source of authority suggested to Ernie in some of the statements from his dreams.

How can Ernie know if something he does is wrong? No need to compare himself with scripture. He will be told.

The angel states that Jesus and the Father are very well pleased with how we share the dreams. If there is something wrong He will tell me

How does Ernie know he is on the right road when others are going the opposite direction? Not because of scripture study, but because of the encouragement of the angels.

I ask those in the car I am in about those in the other cars, “Why is everyone not seeing these angels? Why are they saying we are going the wrong way when the angels are pointing for us to keep going the way we are going?”

Satan, the one of “great disguise” is “placing traps for all.” But how may we escape his snares? The angel says “by having a discerning eye and ear” and by placing one’s heart in God’s hand. That is how we “will know” regarding divisive questions such as feast-day keeping.

The angel continues by stating that the one of great disguise is placing traps for all, but the discerning eye and ear of those who have placed their heart in the hand of God will know when the evil one has them worshipping pagan and old laws—things that were done away with when Jesus was nailed to the cross and died.

One named Jesus in his dreams responds to Ernie’s many questions. Where does this Jesus suggest Ernie seek answers? Not through diligent study, but by the Spirit’s guidance.

“I know you have many questions. Did I not send the Holy Spirit to guide and be with you?”

Some cities will be destroyed in the coming judgments. Some won’t be. Ernie knows, he believes, which ones will be destroyed but is not permitted to tell us. How does the Herald indicate that Adventists may be safe? If he had directed us to study we might learn that we are to move out of the large cities into smaller towns and country settings. But the angels that talk to Ernie are emphatic that we should learn how to be guided by the spirit. And I am very suspicious.

There are many towns and cities that are not destroyed. I ask the Herald if I may tell which cities. He answers, “No, that is not permitted.” He explains that each must learn the guidance of the Holy Spirit concerning where God would have them live.

What if someone confronts Ernie regarding his revelations regarding tithe? (I will address the tithe issue later). How should Ernie direct them to resolve the apparent discrepancy between his vision and Ellen White’s counsel? Careful study is not suggested. They are to pray and ask “for God’s guidance concerning whom and what they support.”

Someone is probably thinking, “But we do need to pray, do need to ask, do need to rely on God’s guidance, do need the Holy Spirit. How can the dreams be faulted in this way?”

Where we should pay our tithe, where we should make our homes, the answers to just such questions as Ernie poses regarding feast-keeping, whether we are doing well to share our dreams – these are all questions with plainly revealed answers for those who will search diligently.

These are not the kind of questions where impressions should be sought for a solution. As a colporteur leader I pray for wisdom from the Spirit to know which students to place on which streets. I want to be Spirit-guided. But for wisdom to know how to conduct the canvassing programs I am directed by earnest study of God’s counsels.

When we pray well for guidance on doctrinal and practical issues on which He may have communicated His will through the Testimonies, we are praying that God will help us understand His revelations. We are asking that He will guide us to the relevant counsels and truths. We are asking for help in finding Bible teachings that would help us test the spirits who are suggesting thoughts to our minds.

It is when we lose the sense of God speaking to us in Scripture that we long for Him to speak to us some other way. Ellen White writes:

Let those who are inclined to [seek guidance from men] read and receive the Bible as the word of God to them. The Bible is the voice of God to his people. As we study the living oracles, we are to remember that God is speaking to his people out of his Word. We are to make this Word the man of our counsel. “Search the Scriptures,” Christ said; “for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.” If we realized the importance of searching the Scriptures, how much more diligently we would study them! With awe we would take up the inspired Word, and with earnest desire search its pages, beginning a new life of genuine experience in the things of God. The Scriptures would be read and studied as the sure evidence of God’s will concerning us.  {RH, March 22, 1906 par. 2}

Interestingly, Ellen White shared something similar to what the Herald said. Namely, Satan is seeking to trip us up.  First, “God has messengers and messages for his people.” (The ones she refers to below are Jones and Waggoner.) But notice how she suggest that listeners should relate to God’s messages through God’s messengers when they differ doctrinally from “our former doctrine.”

God has messengers and messages for his people. If ideas are presented that differ in some points from our former doctrines, we must not condemn them without diligent search of the Bible to see if they are true. We must fast and pray and search the Scriptures as did the noble Bereans, to see if these things are so. We must accept every ray of light that comes to us. Through earnest prayer and diligent study of God’s word, dark things will be made plain to the understanding.  {ST, May 26, 1890 par. 12}

Some fanatics in the past have repudiated the need for scriptural study. Ernie has not done this. But a more subtle error is not a safer one. Notice the effect of the former fanaticism and beware of any milder version that points in the same general direction.

[Some] are governed by impressions which they regard as the voice of God in the soul. But the spirit that controls them is not the Spirit of God. This following of impressions, to the neglect of the Scriptures, can lead only to confusion, to deception and ruin. It serves only to further the designs of the evil one. Since the ministry of the Holy Spirit is of vital importance to the church of Christ, it is one of the devices of Satan, through the errors of extremists and fanatics, to cast contempt upon the work of the Spirit and cause the people of God to neglect this source of strength which our Lord Himself has provided.  {GC vii.4}

During [Adventism’s early] trying days some of our most precious believers were led into fanaticism. I said further that before the end we would see strange manifestations by those who professed to be led by the Holy Spirit. There are those who will treat as something of great importance these peculiar manifestations, which are not of God, but which are calculated to divert the minds of many away from the teachings of the Word.  {2SM 41.2}

But though this issue regarding scripture is a key and central issue, it is not the last one we will notice.

 

Taking Time to Study and to Evaluate the Messages

 

I have hesitated to say plainly that Ernie is a false prophet. That is because I remember that Ellen White counseled us to take our time in evaluating persons claiming inspiration. We are to give them time to develop their fruits. We must not be urged into accepting or rejecting their messages. False prophets may initially appear true. True prophets may appear false because of my misunderstanding of scripture. I must take time.

A. T. Jones thought he took enough time to evaluate Anna. Apparently he did not.

I am more sorry than I can express to you that the matter has been handled unwisely. We shall have scores of just such developments, and if our leading brethren shall catch up things of this character and endorse them as they have done in this case, we shall have one of the most sweeping tidal waves of fanaticism that has been seen in our experience. . . . In such cases as these, it is essential that we let our moderation be seen. The Lord is at hand. We cannot afford to work in such a way as those have done who have given the productions of Anna Phillips to our churches without clear and certain evidence that God is speaking to His people through her. For our ministers to rush a thing before the people as bearing the divine credentials, unless they know for a surety that it is of God, will do a work that God has told them not to do. Many things intended to deceive will come, bearing some of the marks of truth. Just as soon as these shall be set forth as the great power of God, Satan is all ready to weave in that which he has prepared to lead souls from the truth for this time….  {2SM 92.2}

This cautionary counsel to Jones is one reason why I was so interested in the dream Ernie had regarding Noah.

A friend of mine raised some valid questions regarding the “what if” ending of the dream. [2] My friend noted that Jesus had promised Eve that of her seed he would raise a Deliverer. Enoch was already in heaven. Would God’s promise to Eve fail?

But my question regarding the Noah dream is of an entirely different nature. Satan, it is obvious, would be at a disadvantage if those he was deluding were to be evaluated over a significant volume of time. He would have a motive to encourage people to accept the dreams, the messages, uncritically, quickly.

How are we to judge messages? By comparing them with scripture. Then it would serve the Devil just well to draw an illustration from the days prior to earth’s first written revelation, and use that time as an illustration of how we should accept God’s messengers quickly. And those commissioned by God to guard the church from pretensions like those of Anna Phillips, the “leading men” of the testimony above, Satan would like to discredit for their healthy skepticism.

This discrediting of caution is just the picture that is painted by the Noah dream.

The man explains that God told him to build an ark. He said he was given the dimensions as well as specific instructions on how to build it. The men turn to each other and discuss the matter. Then one of them says, “No, Noah, we need to think, pray, and evaluate this discussion you say you had with God. We need to wait and see. We should not rush into these things. We must make sure that was not Satan talking to you.”

I watch as Noah comes in over and over and over again. He goes before the men to say that God repeatedly told him that it is imperative that he build an ark. The “Great Educators” are insistent that a message like this should not be rushed into but that sometimes it takes many years to understand. They state that one has to contemplate through thorough prayer as to the validity of these talks he says he has with God. They continue to question if that was Satan talking to him.

This sounds much like sophistry. It sounds like the same innuendo found in the vision of the ascending birds. There one bird in 800 make it. Escaping the valley is an illustration of salvation in the bird dream. I am not confident that the ratio, 1 in 800, is a poor one. But there the one bird that makes it is the one that flies straight up. What about the birds that pause to do diligent study? They are pictured also. It is not clear what “ancient” writings they are studying. But one thing is clear. The careful students don’t make it.

I watch as others stop to discuss the ancient books of the best ways to fly. They get out charts to plot and study the wind currents and try to figure out what is the best way to ascend.

The Sacred and the Common

Another warning Ellen White gave about false messengers is that they might mingle the solemn and the silly, the holy and the common. God has always worked to keep these distinct. Satan has always sought to confound them.

Anna Garmire was thus injured. Her father and mother made her believe that her childish dreams were revelations from God. Her father talked to the child as one chosen of God; all her fancies and dreams were written down as Anna’s visions. She had figures and symbols presented to her, and had reproofs for her mother and for her father. After a scathing reproof, there followed the most flattering representations of the wonderful things the Lord would do for them. These things I was pointed to as spurious, a deception. They descended to the most minute and trifling matters, commingled common, cheap things with important subjects. {2SM 89.1}

Their visions were Satan’s work. The things revealed were often common, earthly matters, such as, who should get breakfast the next morning, who should prepare the dinner, who should wash the dishes. Mingled with these frivolous things were sacred truths, which they had found in the Bible and testimonies. Satan’s hand was in all this, to disgust people, and cause them to spurn everything in the nature of visions. Thus the false and the true would be rejected together. And even those who were engaged in the deception, when they should become weary of it, would be inclined to doubt all visions.  {2SM 77.2}

This mingling of the common and sacred, of the “sublime and the ridiculous” (2SM 89), caught my attention several times while reading the dreams of Mr. Knoll.

When I read his sublime illustration of how God will prepare persons for the end (it is illustrated by the process of baking bread), I was surprised to read the Herald speaking regarding a symbolic bakery baking symbolic bread:

He looks at me, smiles, and replies, “It smells good in here, doesn’t it?”

From Genesis 1 to Revelation 22, from Ellen White’s first visions until her death, humor forms no part of angelic communications to men. Much less would an angel distract a man from a solemn spiritual lesson by a reference to a trivial passing aroma.[3]

Ernie seems to appreciate the light side of things himself. After hearing a dream that used a “clear” clipboard as a symbol, one of Ernie’s friends made a humorous quip. Ernie quoted it.

(Brother J, from the Go Forth dream, noticed this represents the “clear testimony” no matter how you look at it.)

You may search in vain for this kind of lightness regarding revealed truths on the part of truly inspired persons. But it shows up even in the angelic demeanor in Ernie’s dreams.

Not long ago there was a lady named Soo that had dreams that were widely regarded as from heaven. One of the interesting features of her dreams was that angels waved at her and she at them. This was a warning sign to me. Angels, holy ones, have always acted with the greatest solemnity and dignity when communicating openly with men. But angels in Ernie’s dreams have the same buddy-buddy flair as they did in Soo’s.

Inspiration

 

Another point that strikes me with force relates to one of the most crucial issues in our church today. The question is the nature of inspiration. One of Ernie’s dreams shows Jesus inspiring Ellen White by kneeling “on one knee” next to her.

I see Ellen White sitting in a chair with a pen in her hand. It is early in the morning and all is quiet. She is surrounded by many, many, many angels. Jesus kneels on one knee next to her and is instructing her what to write.

Compare this to the statement he makes about the wonderful little book Creeping Compromise.

 

I see Jesus kneeling on one knee next to [Joe Crews]. He is telling him what to write. The angel says, “He is writing Creeping Compromise. This is what ‘those which are they’ should be. This instruction is needed to perfect the character of those striving to be one of the 144,000. . . . [Crews’] book, inspired by Jesus, is a foundation of what to do.”

What caught my attention immediately was the muddling of the water in regard to the meaning and working of inspiration. Does the reader realize that this was the argument used by many in the South Pacific who, in a hollow manner, claimed to believe in Ellen White’s “inspiration?” They understood her to be “inspired” in the same sense that a consecrated preacher is “inspired.”

Of course, if Ernie is promoting the idea that Joe Crews is a prophet, the above argument would become meaningless. All prophets are equally inspired.

I don’t think Ernie claims this for Joe.

Nu 12:6  And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

This shows that no one becomes a prophet unawares. Prophets speak for God on His authority. They do not have the same kind of inspiration as animates consecrated authors and musicians.

Talking to Evil Spirits

Other writers have called attention to a glaring issue in Ernie’s dreams. In one of them he encounters three evil angels. They appear to him in his dream. (How did they get there?). He talks with them. It is no symbolic talk. For a time Ernie supposes they are good angels. Then he becomes suspicious and challenges them to say his “new heavenly name” which he supposes no evil angel could know. They fail to pronounce it and Ernie calls for heavenly assistance against them.

These evil angels don’t make eye contact with Ernie. And they plainly state that what they say should be accepted over the authority of – Ernie’s dreams. And they add that “the enemy wants all to love and worship God in their own way!” (I doubt that evil angels would be that clumsy in their words on accident. In fact, the talk of the evil angels in this dream is so very clumsy as to be similar to the productions of a 7th grade trickster. This seems even a bit too low for a reverse-psychology scenario and makes me wonder if Satan is quite limited in his ability to control the details of dreams. Then again, perhaps he has learned well that 7th-grade level reverse psychology works just fine with the average reader.)

Now think these things through for a minute. Since when is Satan unable to make eye-contact with someone he is tricking? And since when should we identify evil angels by their ability to say our new name? And how do evil angels get into a God-inspired dream? And is all heaven watching the dream at the same time? The Herald says:

The Herald looks at me and smiles so that his dimples show. I look into his eyes and see such love and patience! He calls me by my heavenly name (the name I wanted to hear, but can only remember during a dream). He says, “All of heaven was watching and waiting until you cried out for help.”

The fact is that we should never never never talk to evil spirits. It is the most dangerous thing we could do. They are incredibly skilled at overmastering our minds. That God would permit Ernie, in a dream, to talk to them; that God would model how to identify false angels in such a way as to make it easy for Satan to take advantage[4], is unthinkable.

Literal and Symbolic

Ernie sees a number of future events that can’t be too far off from correct in the way he presents them. But interlaced through a narrative of a decent guess of what the future may hold you may find phrases and images borrowed from the Spirit of Prophecy and from the Bible.

That is great, in general. But some of those images are used in a way that confounds the literal and the symbolic.

I am thinking of the pictures of mass execution by an engineered mass guillotine. As each person dies, surrendering all, the Herald bids Ernie “watch closely.”

I watch as each assigned guardian angel has placed in his left arm a white robe to hold for the individual that just surrendered all. The robe is pure white with a large red border at the bottom. {9} In their right hand is placed a pure silver tablet with a pure gold border and a red ribbon wrapped around it. The tablet reads Revelation 2:10.

Martyrs will get literal white robes with red hems. This is true. They get these, however, at the resurrection.

Martyrs also get symbolic white robes – no red hems. This is pictured in Revelation 5. This happens when their name comes up in the judgment. Some face the judgment in heaven before they die. Some face it after they die. But no one faces it at the moment of death. So this picture is a disturbing mixing of metaphors – it is either a spiritualizing of a literal robe, or the literalizing of a symbolic one. And either way, it is confusing the timing.

Such confusion prevents people from understanding Revelation 5 and Revelation 3:5 correctly by leading them to associate the white robes in those passages with the memorable robes Ellen White saw on individuals in heaven.

And such confusion over elements in scripture appears also in the Herald’s statements relating to Jesus’ beautiful statements on faith.

One of these statements is that faith should have the same characteristics of a mustard seed. Mustard seed grows from the smallest of herb seeds into a tree-like bush. Jesus taught, by this illustration, that great faith is cultivated and grows like a plant.

So a statement by the Jesus in Ernie’s dream is odd. It seems to refer to the teachings of Jesus about great faith and mustard seeds and mountains – but it mixes the metaphors in a way that removes the force from what Jesus was teaching in scripture. Great faith becomes measured by an ability to perform odd miracles. This is the way Satan has always wanted the Bible passages to be understood and, again, it makes me quite suspicious.

Placing both hands into the pitcher again, Jesus turns to Anonymous and places His hands on this person’s head. He then says, “Great is the faith of one who commands that a mustard seed will become a mountain.”[5]

Tithe

 

Ernie’s most violent opposition has come over the statements he has made regarding tithe.[6] The contrast between Ernie’s Herald and the Testimony of Jesus is notable. As you read both, ask yourself the following: What if I know that part of my tithe is being used to support unworthy ministers that are employed by my conference? What should I do?

The Herald turns to me and says, “It is important that His people understand while it is important that we are to return a tithe to God’s storehouse, it is equally important that they understand what the funds are being used for. If an individual is providing funds and they understand that the funds are not being used according to His will, that person will be held accountable. The Great Creator has said to pay a tribute to those who do His bidding. The Herald explains that many tributes are used toward Lucifer’s work of using spiritualism from within God’s church by those who collect and place the funds in a storehouse. The Herald says, “That is not God’s storehouse. Those that give a tribute will be able to see the blessing they give in faith when it is placed in God’s storehouse.”

. . .  He says, “Let us leave here, as many will not understand what you have been shown. Anyone who does not understand, you are to only tell them that each has to pray and ask for God’s guidance concerning whom and what they support. They are to understand that they will be held accountable for what and whom they support. Again, I am to tell you to tell them that they are to support and pay a tribute to those who do His bidding.” I tell the Herald that this is a very controversial subject, and that there is much confusion as to God’s storehouse. He calls me by my heavenly name and says, “They are to understand that you, like I, are a messenger. I was instructed to share exactly what I have. You are to share exactly what I have shared with you. Those who have questions are to take it to the One who holds the keys to the Great Storehouse.”

The dream refers to God as holding “keys” to a “Great Storehouse.” It refers to tithes as a “tribute.” This is odd. The tithe belongs to God. It is not a tax. It is not a thank offering. It is not a confession that we have been conquered. In short, how is it a “tribute?”

But that is a small issue compared to the questions I suggested you ask yourself. These Ellen White answers plainly.

The tithe is sacred, reserved by God for Himself. It is to be brought into His treasury to be used to sustain the gospel laborers in their work. For a long time the Lord has been robbed because there are those who do not realize that the tithe is God’s reserved portion.  {CS 93.2}

Some have been dissatisfied, and have said, “I will not longer pay my tithe; for I have no confidence in the way things are managed at the heart of the work.” But will you rob God because you think the management of the work is not right? Make your complaint, plainly and openly, in the right spirit, to the proper ones. Send in your petitions for things to be adjusted and set in order; but do not withdraw from the work of God, and prove unfaithful, because others are not doing right.–9T 249.  {CS 93.3}

Summary of Section Two

There is more than enough in Ernie’s writings to conclude that he is not someone to become enthusiastic about. The angels he speaks to seem oblivious to the fact that we will be tested over impressions-vs-scripture. Evil angels have access to his dreams. He contradicts Ellen White on the issue of tithe. He mixes Biblical metaphors in a way that makes odd miracles look like the evidence of virtuous faith. He pipes in on the ongoing issue of inspiration – and muddies the water. He introduces lightness and trivial observations into solemn messages. His dreams urge uncritical acceptance and belittle studied evaluation. His symbolic panther story is full of non-explained symbols.

But suppose I just misunderstand all these things – every one of them. You should know the contents of the next section. It warns that false prophets certainly will come, certainly will advocate something. Handled wrongly one or two will multiply into a “tidal wave” of fanaticism that will make our work for the world very difficult as wordlings look at us as a bunch of weird persons.

SECTION THREE: A TIDAL WAVE OF FANATICISM

Let me briefly leave the topic of Ernie and speak of great general truths about the end of time. Ellen White writes:

Fanaticism will appear in the very midst of us. Deceptions will come, and of such a character that if it were possible they would mislead the very elect. If marked inconsistencies and untruthful utterances were apparent in these manifestations, the words from the lips of the Great Teacher would not be needed. It is because of the many and varied dangers that would arise, that this warning is given.  {2SM 16.4}

The reason why I hang out the danger signal is that through the enlightenment of the Spirit of God I can see that which my brethren do not discern. It may not be a positive necessity for me to point out all these peculiar phases of deception that they will need to guard against. It is enough for me to tell you, Be on your guard; and as faithful sentinels keep the flock of God from accepting indiscriminately all that professes to be communicated to them from the Lord. If we work to create an excitement of feeling, we shall have all we want, and more than we can possibly know how to manage. Calmly and clearly “Preach the word.” We must not regard it as our work to create an excitement.  {2SM 16.5, emphasis added.}

More enthusiasm “than we can possibly know how to manage”? What did she have in mind?

We must bring our minds within the bounds of reason, lest the enemy so come in as to set everything in a disorderly way. There are persons of an excitable temperament who are easily led into fanaticism; and should we allow anything to come into our churches that would lead such persons into error, we would soon see these errors carried to extreme lengths, and then because of the course of these disorderly elements, a stigma would rest upon the whole body of Seventh-day Adventists.  {2SM 43.2}

Ellen White wrote to A. T. Jones regarding his encouragement of Anna:

How is it, my brother, that you have taken up these communications, and presented them before the people, weaving them in with the testimonies God has given Sister White? Where is your evidence that these are of God? You cannot be too careful how you hear, how you receive, how you believe. You cannot be too careful how you talk of the gift of prophesying, and state that I have said this and that in reference to this matter. Such statements, I well know, encourage men and women and children to imagine that they have special light in revelations from God, when they have not received such light. This, I have been shown, would be one of Satan’s masterpieces of deception. You are giving to the work a mold which it will take precious time and wearing soul labor to correct, to save the cause of God from another spasm of fanaticism. . . .  {2SM 86.3}

One thing, Ellen White wanted to say as little as possible about Anna. Fanaticism is better treated with a calming influence than with an agitation. And Ellen White knew that scores of similar cases would arise in the future. She wrote of “tidal waves” that would come were leading men to take up a prophet like Anna and support his or her claims.

I want to say just as little as possible in regard to Anna Phillips. The less this matter is talked over and agitated, the better. There is a “dead fly in the ointment.” Before this reaches you, you will have received a letter giving a more complete statement in regard to what we may expect in the case. I am more sorry than I can express to you that the matter has been handled unwisely. We shall have scores of just such developments, and if our leading brethren shall catch up things of this character and endorse them as they have done in this case, we shall have one of the most sweeping tidal waves of fanaticism that has been seen in our experience.

With these and a few other statements it is easy enough to picture what Satan is trying to do. First, he works through a hyper imagination to create an impressible “prophet.” Then he advocates being led by the “Spirit.” Then he pours out a mighty gushing of this kind of enthusiasm, a false latter rain of dreams and visions.

It is that tidal wave that Ellen White sought to avert.

Ernie seems to allude to the wave, and the possibility that his allusion is based in fact is scary.

The Herald calls me by my heavenly name and says, “If you could only see and understand the impact these messages are making on new souls and the awakening they are having on old souls. Many are beginning to awake from their sleep. You are one of many that Jesus is working with all over the world. There are others who speak a different language with whom the Great King is working. You are not alone. You are being led by His Spirit. Those who make accusations against you will have to give an account before the Great Judge.

Yes, I will have to answer before the Great Judge. So also, reader, will you. You can not be too careful how you hear, how you accept. If there are no “glaring inconsistencies” nor “untruthful utterances” in Ernie’s work, that will not be cause enough to advocate his dreams. That is how Jones fell into advocating the false dreams of the young lady.

And what if you have resolved the issue of Ernie already? Ellen White indicates “scores” of similar experiences would occur. I can count about a score of them. Maybe there are a score I know nothing about it. That would still leave room for several more. Why did Jesus say “beware?” Because the false would not be obvious – that is how Ellen White explained it.

SECTION FOUR: SMALL THINGS

This section isn’t really for the average reader. As I read through Ernie’s dreams (and I did read all of them carefully),  I noted a number of small things. These are the kind of observations that gave me hints that something was not quite right with the dreams. But some of them are not obvious contradictions of true principles. Noticing them might even be nit-picking.

But, then again, they might be helpful to those seeking to shake a misplaced trust. So I record them here.

Interrupting the Dream

Can a prophetic dream be interrupted by an outsider? In Ellen White’s visions no one was able to disturb her communion with heaven.

“As I was unconscious to all that transpired around me while in vision, I will copy from Brother Nichols’ description of that meeting.  {LS80 232.2}

“‘Sister Ellen was taken off in vision with extraordinary manifestations, and continued talking in vision with a clear voice, which could be distinctly understood by all present, until about sundown. The opposition was much exasperated, as well as excited, to hear Sister E. talk in vision, which they declared was of the devil; they exhausted all their influence and bodily strength, to destroy the effect of the vision. They would unite in singing very loud, and then alternately would talk and read from the Bible in a loud voice, in order that she might not be heard, until their strength was exhausted, and their hands would shake so they could not read from the Bible. But amidst all this confusion and noise, Sister Ellen’s clear and shrill voice, as she talked in vision, was distinctly heard by all present. The opposition of these men continued as long as they could talk and sing, notwithstanding some of their own friends rebuked them, and requested them to stop. But Robbins said, “You are bowed to an idol; you are worshiping a golden calf.”  {LS80 232.3}

What about Ernie’s dream? It seems one dream was interrupted by his wife, Becky. It makes one wonder.

We are now in the corridor again. The Herald says, “What I show you now, I was showing you when Becky awoke you from your dream. Permission was given then to share a little of what was shown you.”

Bible Versions

I use the King James Version for study and memory work. And I consider it to be based on the highest quality of Greek manuscripts. It is an excellent version.

Ellen White used it generally. When other versions came into existence late in her ministry, she also made significant use of them.

Ernie’s visions emphasize, in a way very different from Ellen White’s relation to the various versions, the chosenness of the King James Version. Why the difference between Ellen White and Ernie on this point? There are many that would find in this very point evidence of Ernie’s legitimacy. I hope we are not tricked that easily. The devil knows how to preach to the choir.

Flattery

 

Ellen White described how Anna’s visions would flatter persons that had been rebuked earlier. Flattery is not a good thing. But the Herald absolutely flatters “Anonymous.” You will find nothing like it in all the thousands of encouraging statements to individuals in the Testimonies. And what he says to him is a twisting of Bible metaphors similar to the one mentioned earlier.

He talks about Anonymous[7] and how He is very well pleased with this person. He says how He would like to see others just like this person. He explains that this person’s faith is so strong that this person can “tell a mustard seed to become a mountain.” And by this person’s faith it would happen.

Witnesses

Ernie was shown that some prominent person would rise to be his helper in the work of promoting the dreams. He was shown the name of that person, but has not revealed it because he wants that person to join of his own free will. However, to give confirmation to God’s foreknowledge of the person’s decision, Ernie has shared the name with “a few select persons to be used as witnesses.”

The fulfillment of some predictions is not, of course, an evidence of the truthfulness of the claims of the predictor. Incredibly, some of the predictions of false prophets came to be fulfilled during Ellen White’s time:

In one place, four in one family professed to have communications from the Lord, reproving wrong, and they predicted things that actually did take place. This inspired confidence in them. But the things that did not take place were kept in the dark, or were treated as something mysterious, which would be understood later. Whence did these receive their inspiration?–From satanic agencies, which are many. The Lord laid it upon me to meet these things, and bear a decided testimony against them….  {2SM 76.4}

Still, it would be helpful to know the names of those entrusted with the name of the individual.[8] Their reputation for integrity and honesty would be something interesting to check into. Why? Because none other than Joseph Smith relied heavily on “witnesses” to confirm events that tended to back his claims. But after a decade many of these “witnesses” had repudiated their statements of affirmation and were shown to be generally unreliable persons even at the time they were chosen as witnesses.

Repentance

John the Baptist and Jesus and the Disciples, and Jesus through John to Laodicea all call men to repent. To repent is to turn in heart and practice from a confessed sin. When preachers cry aloud and show the church “its transgressions and the house of Israel” their sins, the people should be called to repent of those same sins.

And in Revelation 3 when Jesus says to our church, “be zealous and repent” it is a good question to ask, “repent of what sins?” This is why the Testimonies were given.

So when we read in the Bible of men calling others to repent, we understand that the call to repentance involved instruction on how to live. Both Paul and John the Baptist mentioned “works meet for repentance.” Ac 26:20; Lu 3:8.

So I was very interested at the added word (capitalization in the original) “just” given to persons commissioned to share the spirit’s messages. There is just something strange about adding the word “just” in a place where it doesn’t belong, in a place where it changes a summary into a contradiction.

He goes quickly to Brother and Sister M, places His hands on their head and says, “Go and JUST tell them to REPENT.”

Without an Intercessor

Ernie has also had instruction about the close of human probation. That is a time, we learn from Ellen White and from the sanctuary symbols, when men will stand before God without an intercessor. One popular author has written a book titled Never without an Intercessor and has criticized the idea of living without one. Satan has tried to word the question about that time like this, “Will we have the help of Jesus or not have the help of Jesus during the Time of Trouble?”

But that is the wrong question. Jesus offers more than one type of help. To heavenly angels Jesus gives power and wisdom and might. To humans He is giving these and more. He is pardoning our sins and blotting them out.

Will we have help during the Time of Trouble? During that time there will be no pardon for sins. But we, like all holy intelligences throughout eternity, will be dependant on Christ’s power and light, his wisdom and indwelling Spirit. It will be Jesus’ authority, for example, that commissions angels to feed and protect us during that time.

It was impossible for the plagues to be poured out while Jesus officiated in the sanctuary; but as His work there is finished, and His intercession closes, there is nothing to stay the wrath of God, and it breaks with fury upon the shelterless head of the guilty sinner, who has slighted salvation and hated reproof. In that fearful time, after the close of Jesus’ mediation, the saints were living in the sight of a holy God without an intercessor. Every case was decided, every jewel numbered. Jesus tarried a moment in the outer apartment of the heavenly sanctuary, and the sins which had been confessed while He was in the most holy place were placed upon Satan, the originator of sin, who must suffer their punishment.  {EW 280.2}

I saw the saints leaving the cities and villages, and associating together in companies, and living in the most solitary places. Angels provided them food and water, while the wicked were suffering from hunger and thirst. . . . In some places, before the time for the decree to be executed, the wicked rushed upon the saints to slay them; but angels in the form of men of war fought for them. Satan wished to have the privilege of destroying the saints of the Most High; but Jesus bade His angels watch over them. God would be honored by making a covenant with those who had kept His law, in the sight of the heathen round about them; and Jesus would be honored by translating, without their seeing death, the faithful, waiting ones who had so long expected Him.  {EW 282.2}

When Ernie’s guide writes of this time the guide’s words do not help clarify this truth. Those inclined to think that they will be unsupported during that time are left to think that way still. And what does it mean to “smile like Christ”? And, honestly, what will a saint see in the moral mirror when he compares himself to Jesus? Contrast the dream and the scripture.

How can you be like Christ and not look like Him? You say you want to be one of the 144,000, and yet how can you when you cannot stand without Christ holding you up to the Father? If you look like Christ, walk like Christ, smile like Christ, then you will be able to stand in that last day when Jesus cannot hold you up to the Father. When you look in a mirror and you see a clean vessel without any filth, then you will receive the blessing Jesus has commanded to pour forth.”

Job 9:20  If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.

No, a sanctified man will never perceive himself as a “clean vessel without any filth.” And certainly that will not be the condition of receiving the Latter Rain.

If I were to be totally honest, the teachings of Ernie, and of Soo before him, are so strange, so odd, that I at times wonder if they are like the hired prophet in the story of Nehemiah. Have a small group of men, anxious to make believers in Ellen White look silly, hired Ernie and Soo to make up these stories and act them out? It seems like a silly hypothesis even to me. I am not advocating it.

But neither would I be surprised if the silly hypothesis turned out to be true. Satan could have done better, it seems to me.

In summary, there are many small things that have caught my attention while reading Ernie’s dreams. These range from subtle twisting of scriptural phrases to evidence that his dreams were interruptible. They include the use of flattery and the misuse of Greek. They involve end-time confusion. But these are not the real reasons to reject Ernie. They are, rather, the reasons to not accept him. They are reasons to take time to wait for more telling evidences.

And they are a warning that we must be more diligent in our studies.

Section Five: The Herald Replies to Criticism

 

Within 48 hours of the original completion of this paper, sections 1-4, Ernie had and published another dream, one of the longest.

It is fascinating. I do not expect to update this paper at each future dream’s release. But this most recent one suggests one more significant warning.

Before getting to that warning I will point out that the inspiring agent behind the dreams is a bit political. This dream had, for example, a carefully muted implication that persons should study. And it replied to questions about the title “Herald” by adjusting that to read “herald.” (But I am the one that removed the capitol. The dream just said “Herald” is not a name.)

There were other adjustments that seem reactionary to criticism. But they are all small things.

The big thing is a false test. First, Ellen White:

Whenever I have been called to meet fanaticism in its varied forms, I have received clear, positive, and definite instruction to lift my voice against its influence. With some the evil has revealed itself in the form of man-made tests for ascertaining a knowledge of the will of God; and I was shown that this was a delusion which became an infatuation, and that it is contrary to the will of the Lord. {2SM 28.3}

In the past the false prophets suggested that their truthfulness could be tested by signs. But the Herald has suggested a false test that is . . . very Biblical. In the dream the following Bible passage is quoted:

1Jo 4:1-2  Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2  Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

I have preached on this passage before. If we take it the way that Ernie suggests I am afraid we would have to acknowledge the Spirit behind most Adventist false prophets – Victor Houteff[9] not excepted.

The way the Herald understands John’s test, a false prophet can be tested by asking him “Did Jesus come in the fallen nature of Adam, or not?” If the prophet says “yes” then he is a true prophet.

Yikes. Either the devil is supernaturally forbidden to say “yes” in that scenario, or this is a false test. And not only must the devil be forbidden to say “yes”, every lying man, every schizoid, every hired “prophet” must be absolutely forbidden to say “yes, I believe Jesus came in the flesh.”

And if we take this same premise, we would be forced by 1Jo 4:15 to admit that Joseph Smith and every pope and most Pentecostal prophets must be included among the faithful.

1Jo 4:15  Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Does the Bible explain what kind of confession is required to indicate that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh? That He is the Son of God? Indeed, it does. John introduces no new test. It is the same test taught through-out scripture.

The summary is that our works may say something very different than our words. What our words say is a profession. What our works say is also a profession. When they speak (legeo) the same thing (homo), that is a confession (homelegeo). When they differ, that is a denial.

Tit 1:16  They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Jesus was given power over all flesh. (John 17:3). When I live in a way that is merely a form of godliness, my works deny the power that Jesus has been given.

2Ti 3:5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Jude 1:4  For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Lip service has never been the badge of legitimacy for God’s people.

Isa 29:13  Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

How did the patriarchs confess that they were strangers and pilgrims? By living a life that showed their values.

Heb 11:13  These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Now I am not sure that this is the best way to explain 1 John 4:1-3.

It might be more accurate to say that the in-the-flesh test is a one way test. In other words, if someone denies the Law of God, then we know that there is no light in them. But it doesn’t follow that if someone acknowledges the Law of God that they are true. The to-the-law test is a one-way test, capable of invalidating a prophetic claim, but incapable of validating one.

If this is the case with 1 John 4 then the key is in the meaning of the word “spirit.” The passage would be saying “Don’t believe every one claiming to be inspired. If a person admits that Christ is come in the flesh, that idea was revealed to men by God, so it doesn’t give cause for worry. But if a person denies this, that idea has been prophesied to be a defining characteristic of antichrist, and we should beware of it.”

In summary, though I am not sure which way to understand 1 John 4:1-3, I am certain that Ernie’s way is an open door to the tidal wave mentioned in section three. Any lying spirit can say “I know you, you are the Christ.” Consider the Herald’s test and what conclusion it would have brought someone to 2000 years ago:

1Jo 4:15  Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Mt 8:29  And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Mr 5:7  And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

I wouldn’t want to be led to a parallel conclusion today.

Section VI – The Conclusion

This won’t be long.

First, Ernie has gone far too far to be evaluated as a confused dreamer – someone that has common dreams and mistakes them for divine pictures. His two-way conversations and the reactionary nature of the dreams brand him as one of three: Either a true prophet, or one in communion with evil spirits, or one hired to confuse the workers with outright lies.

Second, big issues in the dreams eliminate the “true prophet” option. His relation to impressions of the “Spirit”, his false tests of “Do you know my name?” and of “What of 1Jo 4:1-3?”, his contradiction of the Testimonies on tithe, his mixing of the sacred and the common, and more, his mixing of Biblical metaphors, these and other major issues leave me no choice but to consider him false – whether in cahoots with demons or merely men.

Third, his most important paragraph in any dream, perhaps, was the statement that many like him in other places, and speaking other languages, are having the same experience. May God, our Father in heaven, prepare us for the tidal wave of sensational fanatical outpouring. It is time to search our hearts, almost too late if we have been neglecting this work.

Fourth, future claimants to inspiration may not have the “big issues” apparent in anything they say. We must not be hurried into accepting any message from “heaven.” We have time to study, time to watch. Little things may be our only clue to wait longer still. We can not be too careful how we hear, how we receive.

Fifth, we should not test spirits by talking to them, nor by listening to them talk. Think it through. Satan was a liar from a very early date.

Sixth, see the second point. I am through with www.4hispeople.com. The devil has no right to distract me from my work by making up new and confusing dreams. I grant that he is able. But not that he has the right. I will not be further distracted.

 



[1] Throughout this document Ellen White’s quotations have standard references. To avoid confusion, Ernie’s dreams (the entirety of which, by April 4, 2008, were only three times the length of this document) have no references to them.

[2] For those unfamiliar, Ernie was shown that if Noah had heeded the cautionary elders of his day that every human in the world would have been destroyed in the flood and that God would have started over by recreating man from the mud at the bottom of the flood, as it must have been on the “46th day.”

[3] One reader of this article commented that the scent might be, itself, a symbol. I grant it could be. And that would cancel this argument. But my reading of the passage does not lend itself to this view and so I retain the paragraph with this footnote.

[4] Step A – appear to man as holy angel and tell him his heavenly name. Step B – appear to man as bad angel and be frustrated to not be able to know the heavenly name. Step C – appear as holy angel, use heavenly name as alternate source of authentication, and proceed to teach whatever you want. A very simple trick.

[5] For more on faith, see www.audioverse.org where I have two sermons on the topic that will explain more particularly why I object to this statement.

[6] Several have written me regarding Ernie and tithe. Some have argued, at length, that tithe may legitimately be paid through irregular channels. These, I think, miss my point altogether. My studies tend to point in the same direction, that tithe may be legitimately paid directly to a needy mission field, for example.

[7] Someone wrote me, “What is wrong with flattering someone who is anonymous?” My reply is simply, “Anonymous is not anonymous to Anonymous.”

[8] Since writing this, one has come forward – Linda Kirk. Interestingly, she no longer has confidence in the dreams.

[9] The founder of the Shepherd’s Rod